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Hi all! I'm new here so forgive me if this topic has already been exhausted...
For a long time I thought that non-circumcised penises looked, well...funny. I rarely ever saw images of them because they seem so damn uncommon. Every porn I'd ever seen had featured nip-tucked waxed-smooth specimens of the male image, near every guy I'd ever been with (save for my current love and one single other fleeting interest) had been victims of infant mutilation, and almost all American adult humor imagery forgoes foreskin.
Now that I'm seriously involved with someone anatomically complete (as I like to refer to it) my feelings have changed. At first I thought it was very strange, and I was honest about it. Even he feels self-conscious about the way it looks (generally). I've realized, however, that now that I'm so much more used to seeing the WHOLE thing, it looks so much more...right. I've always been one to admire the natural beauty of the feminine form over the male (not so say men aren't beautiful, it's just a preference), but I've caught myself staring at it before whilst we lounge naked playing video games and surfing the web - not in an intentionally rude or invasive way, but because I truly take pleasure in the aesthetic appeal of a complete penis (of course it helps that it's attached to the man I love, but that's not really the point). I've even found myself experiencing the same "weird" feelings when I view a circumcised penis that I used to feel viewing the opposite.
Total social conditioning...
For a long time I thought that non-circumcised penises looked, well...funny. I rarely ever saw images of them because they seem so damn uncommon. Every porn I'd ever seen had featured nip-tucked waxed-smooth specimens of the male image, near every guy I'd ever been with (save for my current love and one single other fleeting interest) had been victims of infant mutilation, and almost all American adult humor imagery forgoes foreskin.
Now that I'm seriously involved with someone anatomically complete (as I like to refer to it) my feelings have changed. At first I thought it was very strange, and I was honest about it. Even he feels self-conscious about the way it looks (generally). I've realized, however, that now that I'm so much more used to seeing the WHOLE thing, it looks so much more...right. I've always been one to admire the natural beauty of the feminine form over the male (not so say men aren't beautiful, it's just a preference), but I've caught myself staring at it before whilst we lounge naked playing video games and surfing the web - not in an intentionally rude or invasive way, but because I truly take pleasure in the aesthetic appeal of a complete penis (of course it helps that it's attached to the man I love, but that's not really the point). I've even found myself experiencing the same "weird" feelings when I view a circumcised penis that I used to feel viewing the opposite.
Total social conditioning...
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Re: Asthetics
Thu, February 28, 2008 - 2:19 AMI'll assume you live in America which would explain why you have been exposed (a pun I guess) to a high proportion of circumcised penises.
Twenty years ago the incidence of circumcision in hospitals on newborns was around 90%, it has dropped dramatically since then and is currently almost at 50-50 (actually 56% in 2005).
The porn industry of course consists of men 20+, which explains the high level there, and humor imagery in America would naturally follow the usual state.
If you were to travel to Europe where circumcision is rare, in porn (and I've seen Swedish and German) virtually no man is circumcised, although when erect it isn't the easiest thing to tell on a TV screen.
But as to aesthetics, you are right on when you say it is what you are used to.
Many Americans will say how a circumcised penis "obviously" looks nicer (or something similar), except they are biased, just an non-Americans will say the circumcised penis looks "obviously" weird and awkward (or something similar), as they are biased to what they have experienced.
The point is, the aesthetic argument to having babies circumcised is not a good one, especially in America as circumcisions are getting less and less as parents become aware of the risks outweighing any mythical benefits, so a claim he'll look like the other boys in the locker room, just is not true any more.
The other aesthetic argument people will state is that he'll look like his dad. Except I have to ask... when is dad and son going to be showing each other theirs? Also if the dad has a scar anywhere, tattoos, piercings, earrings, missing fingers or whatever due to accidents or war, does that mean the son has to have the same cosmetically done to him?
I think not.
PS Welcome.
Even if a topic has done the rounds hundreds of times, it is always worth re-discussing so any new visitor will get the same level of education as old-timers. I feel it is an important issue and worth the repeat typing to save children from unnecessary risks and to not have their human right of bodily integrity violated. -
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Re: Asthetics
Thu, February 28, 2008 - 1:28 PMOh I never meant to suggest that aesthetics are any reasonable basis on which to decide for or against circumcision...it's just something I find has had a major impact on me in relation to comparing the two.
And while fathers and sons shouldn't be sexually involved in any way, family nudity is also becoming a more and more widespread norm (here in America, at least). About 80 percent of people still grow up with nudity taboos and prospects of shame associated with being naked, but social and familial nudity has been on the rise - and I for one support it :)
You make a good point about looking like "Dad," though. Men share their DNA with their children...isn't that enough? Allow them to grow independently. If a son grows up and decides for himself to get a tattoo just like his dad's then that's one thing, but his father shouldn't brand him with it before he has the chance to say something about it himself. Circumcision's no different in that defense.
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